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it is important to join a union or not. it's important not about collective bargaining. >>> he was talking about how they want to move the state forward to create more jobs for people in the state should they move to a right to union situation or right to work situation. union workers argue they are making an attack on the middle class. >> this legislation isn't about anything except an attack on workers rights and roll people back for what we fought for. >> nancy pelosi says no matter how many ways republican workers try to spin it right to work is bad for our economy and bad for the middle class. it has nothing to do with ex handing workplace minimums. over the weekend union organize nierzs continue to prepare their members for take to go the streets this week staging demonstrations against the measure. if the vote goes through tomorrow will will deal a significant blow>> now it is time to look whose talking in this morning's congress is talking. if you do as usual they aren't agr agreeing. congressman took to the airwave
it is important to join a union or not. it's important not about collective bargaining. >>> he was talking about how they want to move the state forward to create more jobs for people in the state should they move to a right to union situation or right to work situation. union workers argue they are making an attack on the middle class. >> this legislation isn't about anything except an attack on workers rights and roll people back for what we fought for. >> nancy pelosi...
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union leaders fear if a right to work law should pass it could happen anywhere gutting union power. the president added his voice to the debate during a visit to the detroit area yesterday. >> i have to say this. what we shouldn't be doing is trying to take away your right to bargain for better wages at work. >> the proposed michigan law does not actually prevent collective bargaining. it stopped unions from forcing workers to pay dues. with the largely republican legislature it will almost certainly pass. part say it has to do with workplace fairness for workers. >> i view this as solving an issue with michigan workers. we have hard-working people in michigan this is about giving workers choice. >> police in lansing are bracing for perhaps thousands of angry protestors and the law heads toward final passage. >> doug luzader in washington thank you so much. let's turn to weather. there is extreme weather conditions across the country. maria molina has more on storms and what else do have? tornadoes, right? >> we have tornadic activity had it occurring over the weekend and yesterday.
union leaders fear if a right to work law should pass it could happen anywhere gutting union power. the president added his voice to the debate during a visit to the detroit area yesterday. >> i have to say this. what we shouldn't be doing is trying to take away your right to bargain for better wages at work. >> the proposed michigan law does not actually prevent collective bargaining. it stopped unions from forcing workers to pay dues. with the largely republican legislature it...
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and that of course has raised the ire of union supporters and union members. we'll get back to mike tobin in just a moment who's live in the middle of all of that. martha: we also want to get to this morning. there is new controversy surrounding catherine bigelow movie about the hunt and killing of osama bin laden. you first remember conservatives were claiming that classified information may have been used to make this movie, "zero dark thiry". but this time now that the movie is about to be released some liberals are speaking out and taking aim at what they're calling the glorification of torture in this movie. here is a clip from "zero dark thiry". >> can i be honest with you? i am bad news. i'm not your friend. i'm not going to help you. i'm going to break you. any questions? martha: i think a lot of people are looking forward to seeing this and seeing how it depicts the raid that killed usama bin laden. a huge moment in the history of our country of course. i'm joined by pete hegseth, u.s. army veteran and ceo of concerned veterans for america. >> thank y
and that of course has raised the ire of union supporters and union members. we'll get back to mike tobin in just a moment who's live in the middle of all of that. martha: we also want to get to this morning. there is new controversy surrounding catherine bigelow movie about the hunt and killing of osama bin laden. you first remember conservatives were claiming that classified information may have been used to make this movie, "zero dark thiry". but this time now that the movie is...
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union benefits for free. they claim the real goal is to weaken organized labor. >> these so called right to work laws, they don't have to do with economics. they have everything to do with politics. what they're really talking about is giving you the right to work for less money. >> this is a state issue. indiana did this under governor mitch daniels a couple years ago. they've had some job growth since then. we have to compete. my district is along the state line. we have to compete with them. >> reporter: if it happens, this would be -- michigan would be the 24th state toes pa the law. the house and senate approved their own versions last week. they're set to pass final bill tomorrow. opponents are promising more protests. the republican governor said he will sign that bill. >>> we saw the egyptian president try to give himself broad new powers, basically make himself a dictator. he backed off over the weekend on that, but now he's apparently making a move to turn the army against the people. that's just ah
union benefits for free. they claim the real goal is to weaken organized labor. >> these so called right to work laws, they don't have to do with economics. they have everything to do with politics. what they're really talking about is giving you the right to work for less money. >> this is a state issue. indiana did this under governor mitch daniels a couple years ago. they've had some job growth since then. we have to compete. my district is along the state line. we have to...
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one said no he is leaving the union. and super model stopping by. you know the jeopardy winner? he has written about book. stay away from the christmas poinsettia the leaves are poisonous. is that true? you have to stick around. it's not. fox and friends kikts ocks off minutes from now. i always wait until the last minute. can i still ship a gift in time r christmas? yeah, sure you can. great. where's your gift? uh... whew. [ male announcer ] break from the holiday stress. ship fedex express by december 22nd for christmas delivery. ♪ [ male announcer ] campbell's green bean casserole. it's amazing what soup can do >> 11 minutes until the top of the hour. the federal government slapped with another lawsuit. a california oyster farmer is asking them to allow the 40 year leak to expire. as a result he and 30 of the employees will lose their job. the land will be designated a marine wilderness area. if you have been on a diet and thought the forbidden piece of chocolate you snuck tastes so good guilt food taste better than they otherwise who you are on a diet. >>> have you ever tr
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to a union just last year and the number of michigan workers who belong to unions down nearly 30% over the past ten years. this is fox news alert, north korea extending the window for a rocket launch in that country that the u.s. believes is a cover for a long-range ballistic missile test. the communist country's state media saying technical i shall ooze delaying the launch for the moment. greg palkot is live in london watching this all weekend, what is the latest now on monday, greg? >> reporter: hey, bill, a technical mess, that is how one expert describes to me the scene of that north korea launch cycle right now. the liftoff of that controversial multistage rocket by yeongpyeong is not going to happen now. it has been delayed maybe a week, maybe more. a new target period could be around christmas week. the initial problems have pw-pbt unseasonably cold temperatures in the area as well as snow. now they are admitting to a problem with the first stage of the rocket, that session apparently has to be replaced. last time they tried to launch something was in april, we were there, it fa
to a union just last year and the number of michigan workers who belong to unions down nearly 30% over the past ten years. this is fox news alert, north korea extending the window for a rocket launch in that country that the u.s. believes is a cover for a long-range ballistic missile test. the communist country's state media saying technical i shall ooze delaying the launch for the moment. greg palkot is live in london watching this all weekend, what is the latest now on monday, greg? >>...
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dues and give it to the union. that is money that you are entitled to going to an organization that you choose not to belong to. there is something called the first amendment, freedom of speech and association and that means not to associate . for generations, the states have trampled this right now . the right is resurgent again and as we can see from wisconsin, last year and from michigan today, the right -- >> gretchen: i believe indiana last year and now you have 24 states that decided to do i find it interesting though in the election, michigan people voted for president obama in that state, but they are fractured in that sense. they voted for something he is violently against . he was in the stump in michigan saying you should never let this happen and it is bad for the voters. >> sometimes the voters are more sophisticated than we give credit for. clearly the democratic party nationally and in michigan favor collective bargaining but voters in michigan decided to have individual rights. >> gretchen: but will
dues and give it to the union. that is money that you are entitled to going to an organization that you choose not to belong to. there is something called the first amendment, freedom of speech and association and that means not to associate . for generations, the states have trampled this right now . the right is resurgent again and as we can see from wisconsin, last year and from michigan today, the right -- >> gretchen: i believe indiana last year and now you have 24 states that...
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the landmark decision banning unions to force workers to join a union. the man you're looking at it the mackinac center, vincent. >> good to be on. >> clayton: does it set a precedence for unions? we're 24 states not a majority yet, but michigan, the birthplace of the labor movement there, labor union, is this setting a precedent for the the death of unions? >> i don't know if it's the death of unions, it's actually going to make unions stronger. it may be the start of the end of-- when you have like you said the birth the of the awe with, the fifth highest union membership in the country, traditionally considered a union strong hold giving workers the freedom to choose whether or not to join the union and still keep their jobs? it's historic after indiana did it and now michigan, some of the other midwestern states are going to have to take note if i want to be competitive i may have to give workers the same freedom. and may be setting a precedent. >> you just mentioned the word choice. that kind of is the american way, isn't it, vincent? how is it goin
the landmark decision banning unions to force workers to join a union. the man you're looking at it the mackinac center, vincent. >> good to be on. >> clayton: does it set a precedence for unions? we're 24 states not a majority yet, but michigan, the birthplace of the labor movement there, labor union, is this setting a precedent for the the death of unions? >> i don't know if it's the death of unions, it's actually going to make unions stronger. it may be the start of the end...
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now nine states and the district of columbia allow same-sex unions. can public opinion drive the supreme court's decn? >> the justices are hum beings. they're oune the real question will be, do they want to be on the wrong side of history? >> reporter: an abc news poll less than a month ago shows that the majority of americans, 51, now support gay marri the justices will hear arguments we should hear them this su >> daehank >>> of course, same-sex marriage and the fiscal cliff part of gge' th first thing in the morning the guests include james carville, mary matalin, and paul >>> and no t arn i for much of the coun freeze moving in. heavy snowfalling. look at these pictures of some tough driving out there already. ginger zee doing double duty today after "gma" this morning. you pointed out to me befor we came onhe athe untwhy ke >> it's been mild and painfully dry. today, a snow-starved nation gets an appetizer. michigan, one to three inches of snow. from grand rapids to saginaw, some really beautiful pictures. a lot of folks telling me, we're ready f
now nine states and the district of columbia allow same-sex unions. can public opinion drive the supreme court's decn? >> the justices are hum beings. they're oune the real question will be, do they want to be on the wrong side of history? >> reporter: an abc news poll less than a month ago shows that the majority of americans, 51, now support gay marri the justices will hear arguments we should hear them this su >> daehank >>> of course, same-sex marriage and the...
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what are they doing, going after labor unions. people forget, all the things we take for granted, whether 2 will be sick leave, available indication days, five-day work week, 40-hour week, it's all because of fights the labor unions did to help the middle class and help working families be competitive in this marketplace. >> do you see any states that might be at risk here? >> do i think what? >> do you see any states that are at risk next? >> oh, yeah, i think the republican party is going to spend a lot of time trying to do this because it's unfortunate because what the republican party ought to be doing is how to change the message to talk to middle class families. the nbc/"wall street journal" poll this morning said republic people view republicans as being too rich. it should be how do they expand the pie and get more people in the party than how to exclude people. >> in other states, john, the backlash it could be wisconsin-like. are republicans ready for this possibility? >> well, i think what republicans are trying to do,
what are they doing, going after labor unions. people forget, all the things we take for granted, whether 2 will be sick leave, available indication days, five-day work week, 40-hour week, it's all because of fights the labor unions did to help the middle class and help working families be competitive in this marketplace. >> do you see any states that might be at risk here? >> do i think what? >> do you see any states that are at risk next? >> oh, yeah, i think the...
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it passed, despite protests from unions, and democrats call the law an attack on workers' rights. >>> in greece, violent confrontations between protesters and riot police. the demonstration was to mark the fourth anniversary of the deadly police shooting of a teenager that triggered major protests in 2008. >>> in bangladesh, an official says the fire that killed 112 people last month was in a garment factory that had lost its safety certification back in june. also, the factory owner was authorized to run a three-story business, but it was illegally expanded to eight stories, adding a ninth at the time of the late november blaze. >>> and at the smithsonian museum in washington, the world's largest cut stone is now on display. the aqua amarine gem is more than a foot tall and weighs over 5 pounds. it's called the dom pedro gem, named after brazil's first two emperors. >>> so, this morning we're going to find out how hard superstorm sandy slammed the economy with the government's november jobs report due out. economists fear sandy battered hiring with estimates of 80,000 to 93,000 jobs
it passed, despite protests from unions, and democrats call the law an attack on workers' rights. >>> in greece, violent confrontations between protesters and riot police. the demonstration was to mark the fourth anniversary of the deadly police shooting of a teenager that triggered major protests in 2008. >>> in bangladesh, an official says the fire that killed 112 people last month was in a garment factory that had lost its safety certification back in june. also, the...
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the measure would bar unions from requiring non-union workers to pay union fees. president obama criticized the legislation, saying it's about giving workers the right to work for less money. the republican governor is backing the proposal. but democrats met with him yesterday to urge a veto. >>> protests are also expected in egypt today. the military in position near cairo's presidential palace, keeping an eye on opponents of president mohamed morsi. they, along with morsi supporters, are both staging massive marches today, ahead of saturday's vote, on a draft constitution. that referendum and morsi's power grab in the last month, set off the worst violence since last year's revolution. >>> also, breaking news this morning from south africa. we learned that former president nelson mandela is suffering from a recuring lung infection. doctors say the 94-year-old leader is responding to dreemt. mandela has been in the hospital since saturday. and until now, his medical condition had not been made public. >>> a new intelligence report is offering bold predictions abo
the measure would bar unions from requiring non-union workers to pay union fees. president obama criticized the legislation, saying it's about giving workers the right to work for less money. the republican governor is backing the proposal. but democrats met with him yesterday to urge a veto. >>> protests are also expected in egypt today. the military in position near cairo's presidential palace, keeping an eye on opponents of president mohamed morsi. they, along with morsi supporters,...
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hundred of union supporters protested. some who tried storming the senate chamber, were pepper sprayed. the legislation bans unions from requiring nonunion employees to pay fees. supporters say the move will add jobs, opponents though say it weakens unions, and harms workers. >>> and speak of labor issue, it ain't looking good for a dl ealo end the nhl lockout. the players union chief held two news conferences last night first to say there was progress in major issue. in the second, hejected everyth union offered. there is no drop dead date to start the season. but time clearly seems to be running short. fiscal cliff, no hockey. what is wrong? come on, america. >> america. like $1 billion apart. >> wow. >> sad. much different labor issue cropped up outside a wal-mart in kansas city. mom to be, get it, labor. started feeling woozie while in the checkout line. she stepped outside for fresh air. that is when her water broke. >> oh, and game on after that. >> fortunately, off duty police officer, matt fell temperatuphe persona
hundred of union supporters protested. some who tried storming the senate chamber, were pepper sprayed. the legislation bans unions from requiring nonunion employees to pay fees. supporters say the move will add jobs, opponents though say it weakens unions, and harms workers. >>> and speak of labor issue, it ain't looking good for a dl ealo end the nhl lockout. the players union chief held two news conferences last night first to say there was progress in major issue. in the second,...
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honorary union member. so is leaseman actually. maybe you can -- >> the president -- >> maybe -- you probably with -- >> workers fly i guess. we are strong, solid, more than ever. >> you probably need protection. >> probably do. >> are you surprised at the 2.7 in the market and everything in the face of what we're telling people as such a horrifying possibility that the things have been -- the jobs number, we're going along pretty well, aren't we? >> we kind of are. i think sometimes we forget that -- that the market discounts economic stuff and doesn't discount political preferences. we also forget how well american businesses have done over the last four years. so it's been -- i think we'd agree, whatever side of the political divide you fall on, this has not been the friendliest possible situation for business. i think american corporations have done a terrific job of coping with a tough regulatory environment, a tough financial. the aftermath of this financial crisis. a lot of negative publicity. and ma
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or pay union dues. joining us now from lansing is andy potter, vice president of michigan's corrections organization. thanks for joining us. although you're a republican, you're not up in favor of what is happening in your state. why? >> i am not in favor of it. i think it's a way to weaken the unions. weaken the representation that the workers are going to receive and it's a way to do certain things where we won't be able to hold anyone accountable in the state for what happens. >> now, you say you are a republican. republicans typically are anti labor, antilabor unions for a number reasons. unions bring out the vote for their democratic opponents. how do you marry the fact that you are republican, yet pro union? >> well, i'm pro labor and i am a republican. i voted for republicans my whole life. we look at the candidates that best represent the labor issues and we support them. we support different candidates. doesn't always have to be a democrat that we support. we support republicans as well. >> thi
or pay union dues. joining us now from lansing is andy potter, vice president of michigan's corrections organization. thanks for joining us. although you're a republican, you're not up in favor of what is happening in your state. why? >> i am not in favor of it. i think it's a way to weaken the unions. weaken the representation that the workers are going to receive and it's a way to do certain things where we won't be able to hold anyone accountable in the state for what happens. >>...
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the legislation would bar unions from requiring non-union workers to pay those union fees. democrats met with the governor to urge a veto. and carollers gathered singing modified christmas songs in protest of the proposal. president obama said the legislation is about giving workers the right to work for less money. of course, the president enjoying a lot of support from the unions. if this does indeed happen, michigan will become the 24th right-to-work state. but governor rick schneider is backed by a full house and senate of republicans. so this could be easily passed. >> you're seeing a conservative movement to get a better handle on unions. and deal with them better. but the thing about michigan, it's considered to be the birthplace of the nation's modern labor movement. so if it happens there, it could happen in other states and put into motion a domino effect. we saw the wisconsin battle. ohio has dealt with these labor issues. so changing winds in the world of labor and michigan, if they go this way, that would be a big move here. some people argue it makes sense to
the legislation would bar unions from requiring non-union workers to pay those union fees. democrats met with the governor to urge a veto. and carollers gathered singing modified christmas songs in protest of the proposal. president obama said the legislation is about giving workers the right to work for less money. of course, the president enjoying a lot of support from the unions. if this does indeed happen, michigan will become the 24th right-to-work state. but governor rick schneider is...
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the unions favor a merger with us airways that would turn management over to that airline's executives. we talked a lot about that. the u.s. home reowe potions rose to a nine-month high in november. that's according to a new figure from realty track even as the number of homes entering foreclosure process are at a six-year low. >> it did not escape all of our viewers that we were going to dance on break and then we came back with a bunch of deliverance music. that was for -- the dueling guest hosts. we already headed for dueling guest hosts. it was preproduced. and then we happened to serendipitously say we were going to do the tango on break. >> i was pushing for the fox trot. >> why can't apart? anyway "the wall street journal" says that barclays plans to eliminate as many as 2,000 jobs in its investment bank as part of the restructuring plan. the cuts are exexpected to be announced last year. barclays would be the latest to make such a deal. and we're going to go to what we asked for. >> we talked about -- >> now we have the chance to talk to many big deems at the conference yesterd
the unions favor a merger with us airways that would turn management over to that airline's executives. we talked a lot about that. the u.s. home reowe potions rose to a nine-month high in november. that's according to a new figure from realty track even as the number of homes entering foreclosure process are at a six-year low. >> it did not escape all of our viewers that we were going to dance on break and then we came back with a bunch of deliverance music. that was for -- the dueling...
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opponents say it will lower wages and benefits and hurt the middle class and that strong unions built michigan's middle class. >> so fedex is bracing for the busiest day ever. ever. the company is expecting to handle 19 million packages today. that's 200 packs per second. the internet sales are booming and that is increasing volume by 10% over last year. >> i just ordered a ton last night. >> you're single-handedly responsible -- >> i'll be part of that. get it on time. that's all i say. the daring rescue of an american held in afghanistan comes at a very steep price. we're going to go live to the pentagon for more on the top secret mission. that's coming up. ♪ ♪ ♪ [ male announcer ] everyone deserves the gift of all day pain relief. this season, discover aleve. all day pain relief with just two pills. how they'll live tomorrow. for more than 116 years, ameriprise financial has worked for their clients' futures. helping millions of americans retire on their terms. when they want. where they want. doing what they want. ameriprise. the strength of a leader in retirement planning.
opponents say it will lower wages and benefits and hurt the middle class and that strong unions built michigan's middle class. >> so fedex is bracing for the busiest day ever. ever. the company is expecting to handle 19 million packages today. that's 200 packs per second. the internet sales are booming and that is increasing volume by 10% over last year. >> i just ordered a ton last night. >> you're single-handedly responsible -- >> i'll be part of that. get it on time....
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a number of trades also on western union, at&t and kroger also canceled below certain levels. but trades on ibm, lucadia, hess and salesforce.com will stand. back to you. >> all right, bertha, thanks for getting down to the bottom of that. got a lot of e-mails this morning about these trades. our thanks, of course, to joe. who joins us here on set from deutsche bank. >>> speaker 69 house john boehner set . >>> speaker of the house john boehner set to take the podium after this break. >>> meantime, take a look at this ipo. it just opened for trade. it is higher now by 18%, priced at 8 which is much lower than its expected range but trading right now at $9.50. >> it was the expected rate, as we said, more on solar city and more from john boehner after the break. by not breaking down. consider the silverado 1500 -- still the most dependable, longest-lasting full-size pickups on the road. and now we've also been recognized for lowest total cost of ownership -- based on important things, like depreciation, fuel, and maintenance costs. and now trade up to get a 2012 chevy silverado
a number of trades also on western union, at&t and kroger also canceled below certain levels. but trades on ibm, lucadia, hess and salesforce.com will stand. back to you. >> all right, bertha, thanks for getting down to the bottom of that. got a lot of e-mails this morning about these trades. our thanks, of course, to joe. who joins us here on set from deutsche bank. >>> speaker 69 house john boehner set . >>> speaker of the house john boehner set to take the podium...
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also european union leaders gathering in oslo, norway, this morning to receive the nobel peace prize. the nobel committee is awarding the prize to the european union for fostering peace on a continent ravaged by war. >>> spanish language media company telemundo is celebrating its 25th anniversary this year. the company is ringing the bell at the nasdaq this morning. joining us right now acceptle yae romano. he is president of telemundo media which is owned by our parent cop comcast. emilio, thank you for joining us this morning. >> pleasure. >> part of the things that you're doing this morning is unveiling a new logo. getting away from the "t" but also a celebration of the growth of the company. >> that's exactly right. we're reflecting what our viewers have said to us about the duality of being hispanic and being in the u.s. so our new bold and very good brand that shows the duality that they live here in the u.s. is going to be the new way we're going to present telemundo. we're doing that having the best year ever. our ratings have been the highest ever from 11 to 12 and year-end a
also european union leaders gathering in oslo, norway, this morning to receive the nobel peace prize. the nobel committee is awarding the prize to the european union for fostering peace on a continent ravaged by war. >>> spanish language media company telemundo is celebrating its 25th anniversary this year. the company is ringing the bell at the nasdaq this morning. joining us right now acceptle yae romano. he is president of telemundo media which is owned by our parent cop comcast....
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. >> the democrats who became cold war conservatives were willing to call the soviet union what it was. >> right. >> was a huge -- that was the intellectual breakthrough for the cold war. starting in 1978 with howard jarvis, the anti-statism. but you're right. we had an era with reagan that was ratified by clinton. when he said the era of big government is over. but we still don't know quite what we're in now except that we want lots of things and we don't want to pay for them. >> and you know, mika -- >> that's exactly it. >> you see the missed opportunities. it's not just the stupid things that are said on talk radio or that are written in being books written in the blogosphere that hurts the conservative cause, it's what is not said. like, for instance, yesterday nick christoph wrote an extraordinary op-ed talking about how conservatives have a point. that the liberal welfare state actually discourages, in many cases, hard work and discourages people -- enslaves people to a life of misery. and he gave a great example of how ssi benefits actually cause parents in the appalachians to
. >> the democrats who became cold war conservatives were willing to call the soviet union what it was. >> right. >> was a huge -- that was the intellectual breakthrough for the cold war. starting in 1978 with howard jarvis, the anti-statism. but you're right. we had an era with reagan that was ratified by clinton. when he said the era of big government is over. but we still don't know quite what we're in now except that we want lots of things and we don't want to pay for...